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    Image of Cupajo Cupajo
    11/04/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    Goddammit, this show pisses me off. #heroes
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    Image of zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ
    11/04/09

    @Cupajo: it had promise, but when the producers decided that HEROES need to become the mother of all comic-book long shot series , the story just went way out of control. time travel is a very sensitive thing to do in comics as it is, the potential for time travel overload can be full of failure, as HEROES has perfectly demonstrated. #heroes
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    Image of Cupajo Cupajo
    11/04/09

    @zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ: I thought the ending of season 1 was a complete let-down. Watched about 2 episodes of season 2 and saw what was happening. I've got an episode here or there each season since then and none of them have been worth watching at all.
    Comic books have been my particular brand of geek for close to thirty years now. I've been waiting patiently for a great comic-book TV show. This is not it. #heroes
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    Image of zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ zåɳzißårléɠёпȡ
    11/04/09

    @Cupajo: i agree.

    this whole cat and mouse game they play with the characters just reeks of old dbz episodes. they work all this buildup and then when he season reaches climax, it goes from excitement.. t complete anti-climax, followed by more confusion. some day there will be a great comic-book tv show, i hope other producers are watching it, and using HEROES as a cautionary tale on how run a series to the ground. #heroes
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    Image of Dirk Anger Dirk Anger
    11/04/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    A bit off-topic, because it's from the last episode, which I've watched later...

    Matt was supposed to be a recovering alcoholic, right?

    1. He would not be capable of casual driking, so what the hell is he doing having a beer?

    2. What the hell is he doing having a bottle of whisky at home? that's just stupid, no recovering alcoholic would have even a beer can at home #heroes
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    Image of dazoid dazoid
    11/04/09

    @Dirk Anger: he's not a recovering alcoholic. He's a recovering powers-use-aholic. He's going to AA, because there are no meetings for people who abuse their powers. #heroes
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    Image of Dirk Anger Dirk Anger
    11/04/09

    @dazoid: So, it's like in Dexter, then. I don't know anything about those meetings, I'm not even sure they exist in my country, but it stroke me as surrealistic that you can go to one of those and go on and on about "your addiction" without specifying what are you addicted to, and no one telling you that. Is that even possible? #heroes
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    Image of BlueBeard BlueBeard
    11/04/09

    @Dirk Anger: I think it is more about the support than any particular substance. Saying Parkman was addicted to using his powers is a bit of a stretch though. #heroes
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    Image of psychiccheese psychiccheese
    11/04/09

    @Dirk Anger: It's very much like Dexter.
    In response to your points in your first post, his wife knows that he's not an alcoholic, and is trying to stop using his powers, which is the reason that he's going to the meetings. There would be no reason to keep alcohol out of the house, other than to appear to visitors that he was an alcoholic. #heroes
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    Image of Dirk Anger Dirk Anger
    11/04/09

    @psychiccheese: Yeah I wasn't sure, I thought he really was (hello, stereotype) but, well, it's just that different substances are used in different ways, and I wouldn't put, for instance, cocaine users together with heroin users, because it seems they might need, well, the opposite kind of support #heroes
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    Image of twDarkflame twDarkflame
    11/04/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    Hiro was never bad-ass.
    He was never supposed to be bad-ass.
    He is a comic book geek/lovable nerd, the last thing Heroes needs is a bad-ass future Hiro.
    A dark/bad ass-Hiro would be like a bad-ass Hurly on Lost.
    You -dont- want these characters bad-ass but you DO want them to stick up for themselfs in cool ways occasional, butjust rarely e nought to be both a surprise and entertaining.

    "First of all, he can stop time. SO WHY NOT JUST FREAKIN RIP SYLAR'S HEAD OFF WHILE HE IS FROZEN?! "

    As he explains, he dosnt want to mess up the timeline. The whole point was he could make a single change without messing up the rest.

    Amazingly, the time travel in this episode actually made sense, he changed time, but also ensured things happened anyway due to very slightly different reasons.

    Now, as long as Heroes keeps the "timelines stay correct as long as they are close enough to the original" view of time travel, they are ok. #heroes
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    Image of TheLostVikings R.O.A.C.H. TheLostVikings R.O.A.C.H.
    11/04/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    The even bigger elephant in the room is this: Why the fuck does Hiro even listen to this stupid blackmail, he is a freaking time traveler for fucks sake. After the carnie time traveler kicked the bucket who exactly is going to stop him from going back and picking up charlie before they do? Nobody, that's who.

    Why does no one on this show ever realize what their powers can do! #heroes
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    Image of Malthian Malthian
    11/04/09

    @TheLostVikings R.O.A.C.H.: It's still better than Stargate: Galactica Voyager 90210 The Real World. #heroes
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    Image of BlueBeard BlueBeard
    11/04/09

    @TheLostVikings R.O.A.C.H.: Exactly- Inkstain kidnaps Charlie and abandons her in time because he fears losing his retarded circus family. Hiro could easily do the same thing- start taking carnies away and Inkstain cries and gives up.

    Or, go back in time and kill Inkstain for being the douche that he is. As far as Hiro is concerned this is the present, he can mess him up a few minutes ago and not ruin any destinies.

    I like the show, and I think it is a major improvement over last season, but the carnival story is pissing me off. #heroes
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    Image of wanion wanion
    11/04/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    Honestly? I don't ever remember Heroes being a good a show. I remember being somewhat interested in the premise of how average people would act if they got super powers, and then being treated to characters who were more cartoonish than the most histrionic soap opera, and who could be counted on to make the worst possible decisions in any given situation based on nothing more than the arbitrary dictates of a struggling writer's room desperate to be clever (ie: making random twists to drag the plots out as long as possible) Early Hiro was pretty entertaining though. #heroes
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    Image of 5AMfrenchtoast 5AMfrenchtoast
    11/03/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    Oh I wish the people who write this show had the balls to do anything interesting.

    Why would Syler NOT kill Hiro and take his powers?

    Syler: Look dude, it's cool that you control fucking TIME and SPACE, but I seriously got to get to this high school and get some regeneration power. Which is way better than THE POWER TO DESTROY EVERYTHING.

    Hiro: But you have to help me! She is the Marle to my Crono! Plus I'll totally tell you about your future, and what happens and stuff. It's totally way more awesome than what would happen if a person as insanely powerful as me wasn't written by lazy, incompetent hacks.

    Syler: Okay, now you've really done it. You've made a reference to Chrono Trigger, and somehow you've made it lame. Somehow, it still made me groan. Now I've SUPER gotta kill you.

    (Hiro freezes time, runs behind Syler, unfreezes time.)

    Syler (turning around in bafflement): Ah! Fooled again! Cuuurrssses!

    Hiro (smiling smugly): So we have a deal?

    Syler(growling): Looks like I don't have a choice.

    AND THEN, IN AN AWESOME TWIST:

    Syler kills Hiro and takes his powers. Camera cuts to a line of graves with the names of ALL the other characters on them.

    THE END

    (of a show that needs to be put down like a blind, arthritic cat stuck in a mini-Iron Lung because its greedy asshole owner won't let it die.) #heroes
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    Image of twophrasebark twophrasebark
    11/03/09

    @5AMfrenchtoast:

    "Sylar kills Hiro and takes his powers. Camera cuts to a line of graves with the names of ALL the other characters on them."

    I like it. It's a wrap. Great work everyone. #heroes
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    Image of twophrasebark twophrasebark
    11/03/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    Charlie died. Hiro found out in the first season that Some Things Cannot Be Changed.

    Signed,
    Refuses to watch latest episode #heroes
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    Image of Dr Emilio Lizardo Dr Emilio Lizardo
    11/03/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    Basically, Hiro's powers are at the mercy of the horrible writing staff. If they want to do something cute, it's a minor thing and it's OK to change history and risk Hiro's life.

    EG: save Charlie, save the jumper, get his sister and Ando together.

    Every time they realize they have created a plot hole (three or four times a week), changing anything would rip apart the space time continuum or kill Hiro.

    EG: killing Sylar years before he even realizes he has power, saving Nathan, helping young Mohinder to understand, convincing HRG that working for The Company is evil.

    This is the crux of failure for this show. #heroes
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    Image of mekki mekki
    11/03/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    Oh, and "You think Sylar cares if anybody sheds a tear for him?"

    Yes. That's the whole point of his character at least in Season One. He was a nobody, the son of a watch maker until he discovered his ability. And he started to collect other abilities so that he could be more powerful, in that, no one could ignore him any more. Everyone would fear him and never forget him. He even changed his name to Sylar so that he could forget his nobody past. He hated being Gabriel.

    For him to die alone and uncared for would be horrible. That's why the camera was on Sylar's face as Hiro told him of his future. So that we can see him realize that his dream would not come to past. Watch it again, you can see the smug smile on his face ever so slightly fade and grow cold at the idea. #heroes
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    Image of madnys madnys
    11/03/09

    @mekki: Yes, because him realizing that before he got his 'ultimate power' by killing the cheerleader wouldn't have changed anything. Not one thing at all. #heroes
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    Evil Tortie's Mom: R.O.A.C.H. promoted this comment madnys was starred madnys was unstarred
    Image of Frank Mahnke Frank Mahnke
    11/04/09

    @madnys: Actually, it wouldn't really change anything. It just makes Sylar want Claire's power even more so he can avoid the "dying alone" future... which would ensure the events that transpired in season 1 would take place. It makes Sylar want the power so bad that he will go after Claire on that very night.
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    TheLostVikings R.O.A.C.H. promoted this comment Edited by Frank Mahnke at 11/04/09 12:27 AM Frank Mahnke was starred Frank Mahnke was unstarred
    Image of PostMarque PostMarque
    11/03/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    THis is the only episode of the year i watched. I watched because of this review.

    It was pretty good. I would watch the rest of the season, but if they bring back anybody else who isnt Charlie, I will be saddened.

    Mohinder cannot be forgiven for his role in seasons 2 and 3. It was bad character development. I like the actor and he is hot. But the writers should not be forgiven, and must be punished by leaving that storyline alone. #heroes
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    Image of mekki mekki
    11/03/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    I love the fact that Hiro's idea of himself in the future is sounding like George Takei.

    Plus, I like the "where's the sword?" running gag which is so what the fans have been wondering as well. #heroes
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    Image of Julius Seizure - Canuck Julius Seizure - Canuck
    11/03/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    He had to stick her in that space/time thingy so she could film the next ep of GLEE I would assume.

    I really hope they make a musical ep before they finish circling the drain. #heroes
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    Image of PostMarque PostMarque
    11/03/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    you made me watch an episode of heroes this season. #heroes
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    Image of Roklimber Roklimber
    11/03/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    "But then Hiro once again used his powers in a way that once again reminded me why this show makes me regularly leave weird sweaty marks on my TV screen where I bang my inflamed head against it. (See clip.)"

    Oh, Annalee, what a disappointment. When I read the above, I thought the clip was going to be of you banging your inflamed head against your TV screen. Instead, it was a clip of the show. You're such a teaser.

    "First of all, he can stop time. SO WHY NOT JUST FREAKIN RIP SYLAR'S HEAD OFF WHILE HE IS FROZEN?! Second, if Hiro is going to inexplicably avoid the face-rippage, why not contain Sylar in a way that makes sense? How will a little duct tape and a bus stop Sylar from eating Charlie's brains? This is Hiro of the future - he knows how deadly Sylar can be. And yet this is his big solution? The thing he's done despite knowing it will push him closer to death than he already is? I am completely mystified, people."

    Hiro explains (to Sylar, no less) that he (Hiro) should not change the future, except for minor events like Charlie surviving rather than dying (questionable, yes, whether that's minor) and that Sylar has to walk the path he's meant to walk. Ok, he doesn't say it in as many words, but that's what Hiro has been all about lately, thanks to Uncle Sam(uel).

    "Then he convinces Sylar to fix the aneurism in Charlie's brain by promising to reveal lots of neat things about the future."

    I wondered why Hiro didn't ask Sylar to heal Hiro's tumor as well.

    "You think Sylar cares if anybody sheds a tear for him?"

    Given his daddy issues, mommy issues, and rejection issues, I'd hazard a guess that he does. Besides, the look on his face says that he does.

    "...you don't even mind when HRG's potential office fling gets her mind wiped so she'll forget about her crush on HRG."

    Or maybe she's just pretending to have had her mind Haitianed so that she'd still have a shot with HRG in the future. #heroes
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    Image of MonkeyT MonkeyT
    11/03/09

    @Roklimber: Now that HRG is effectively single, he's going to resent having her wiped - and try to restart things. #heroes
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    Image of mekki mekki
    11/03/09

    @Roklimber: My guess? Hiro knew he could stop Sylar if Sylar messed with Charlie while he was doing "surgery" on her. However, Charlie in no shape or form could stop Sylar if Sylar messed with Hiro while he was doing "surgery" on him. In short, Hiro didn't trust Sylar with his brain. I wouldn't either. #heroes
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    11/03/09

    @Roklimber: I wondered why Hiro didn't ask Sylar to heal Hiro's tumor as well.

    Right?? Hiro, ask for a twofer while you've got Sylar fixing brains for you! You don't have King Jeremy the Wicked to heal you in the future anymore, so Sylar was kind of your chance. #heroes
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    Image of Roklimber Roklimber
    11/03/09

    @MonkeyT: HRG didn't have her mind wiped. It was her own doing or, as I suspect, she was just pretending. #heroes
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    Image of Roklimber Roklimber
    11/03/09

    @mekki: That's a good point. #heroes
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    Image of TheLostVikings R.O.A.C.H. TheLostVikings R.O.A.C.H.
    11/04/09

    @Roklimber: Meh you missed the even bigger plot hole: Peter told Hiro he was bringing a mutant who could heal anything, so why not just whisk Charlie away into the future so the couple can receive a double whammy of healing goodness and go on their way.

    Bonus point: Since Charlie skips the preceding 3 years you greatly reduce the amount of history that changes due to her not being dead. #heroes
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    Image of Roklimber Roklimber
    11/04/09

    @TheLostVikings R.O.A.C.H.: "Meh you missed the even bigger plot hole"

    With so many plot holes, is it at all surprising that I missed that one? #heroes
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    Image of Atomictao Atomictao
    11/03/09

    In reply to Remember 3 Years Ago, When Heroes Was a Good Show?
    Your disappointment in the lack of lesbians in this episode is palpable. It's like I can taste the palp.

    You also didn't mention the last scene, in which poor Sendhil Ramamurthy is dragged kicking and screaming back to the show. (as a corpse, apparently, but if that's not the Unquiet Dead I don't know what is.)
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    Edited by Atomictao at 11/03/09 6:19 PM Atomictao was starred Atomictao was unstarred
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